FT: How do you judge the state of the world economy? Has the world recovered from the crisis of 2007/2008?
GS: Well, certainly the financial markets have regained their composure so they’re beginning to function again, and also the world economy has overcome the shock that it has suffered because for a while everything froze and now things are moving again. So there is rebound, but I think that the facts of the crisis will take a long time for the world to absorb and the main source of the problem is in the United States. This is where consumers have spent more than they earned for a period of 25 years; where we have accumulated current account deficit that reached 6.5 per cent at its peak, which actually could have continued because there were other countries – particularly China and the Asian tigers – that were very happy to run a continuous surplus and to finance our deficit. So that could have actually continued, but the households became over-indebted and it’s the consumer who accounts for over 70 per cent of the US economy that has to cut down, and that will take a while.
Then also you’ve got the banking system that basically was bankrupted. It’s at the bottom and has to earn its way out of a hole and, again, it’s happening at a pretty fast clip because banks borrow at zero and buy 10-year government bonds, yielding 3.5 per cent, and that’s a pretty fast rate of earnings for no risk. So, they’ll earn their way out of a hole, but it will also take time. And then there’s still the whole area of commercial real estate, where the losses have not been recognised. So the source of weakness in the world will be mainly in the US consumer spending and in, let’s say, the decline in the banking sector.
FT: And is that weakness in the US sufficiently grave that there could be a W-shaped recovery, that there could be another dip downwards?
GS: Well, I think certainly there could be another dip in the stock market because, right now we are enjoying the confidence multiplier and there’s a sort of a hope that this is a crisis like the previous ones and we will just sort of recover in a V-shape recovery. So, when that hope is not fulfilled, I think that will be ...